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2024
FEBRUARY
Downstairs
at Jolley’s Boathouse Thursday, February 15, 2024.
Attending: (18
persons): Wayne Anthoney, Lance Campbell, Leo Davis, Rob George, Andy
Ligertwood, Ian Lister, Bob Lott, John McGowan, Ian Owens, Ed Pegge, Wilf
Prest, John Potter, Neville Sloss, Arwed Turon, Chris Waterman, Milton Wordley, Ghil‘ad
Zuckermann, Giulio Xíngtiān (行天) Yehuda (יהודה) Zuckermann.
Apologies: (9 persons): Bob Adams, Mark Coleman, Keith Conlon, Tony
Brooks, Samela Harris, Ian Henschcke, Michael
Jacobs, Rob Morris,Tony
Parkinson.
Andy Ligertwood (just), Wilf Prest, Ian Lister (obscured),
Wayne Anthoney, Ian ‘Bones’ Owens, Bob Lott, Rob George (hidden), Arwed
Turon, Milton Wordley, Chris Waterman, Lance
Campbell, Ed Pegge, Neville Sloss (standing), John Potter, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann,
Giulio Zuckermann.
Neville Sloss, newly appointed Secretary General, chaired the gathering and
made a number of observations and announcements. Wayne marvelled that all his
efforts and cajoling, as the previous incumbent, could not raise a muster as
impressive as the 18 Neville had produced today (still not enough to get us
upstairs).
Milton Wordley, Chris Waterman (obscured), Lance
Campbell, Ed Pegge, Neville Sloss (standing), John Potter, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann.
Potter moved a motion of no confidence in the SG, on the grounds that potato
crisps (house made it must be acknowledged) were served, this seconded by
Wayne, with a supporting speech and the motion was passed on the voices.
Wayne Anthoney, Ian ‘Bones’ Owens, Bob Lott, Milton Wordley, Chris Waterman (obscured), Lance Campbell, Ed
Pegge, Neville Sloss (standing), John Potter, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann,
Giulio Zuckermann (back of head).
Wilf Prest, Ian Lister, Wayne Anthoney, Ian ‘Bones’ Owens, Bob
Lott, Milton Wordley, Chris Waterman (obscured),
Lance Campbell, Ed Pegge, Neville Sloss (standing), John Potter, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann,
Giulio Zuckermann.
Bob Lott gave background on plans for upcoming productions that he is
mounting. The ongoing $8,000,000 upgrade work to his Thebarton Theatre
complex means these will be mounted elsewhere, including at a nearby church,
built by the same team that constructed the Theatre. Also
in the Woodville Town Hall which is in fact a very nice theatre. Bob gave
away a hearty handful of free tickets to an event this Saturday.
Neville asked those who had invited guests today to introduce those
guests and to ask each of them to account for themselves.
Neville Sloss, John Potter, Ghil‘ad
Zuckermann, Giulio Zuckermann,
John McGowan (obscured).
Ghil‘ad began by explaining a quaint connection
between his son/guest, Giulio and Hogarth. His family were holidaying on KI
when non-swimmer Giulio got into trouble in the sea. Ghil‘ad plunged in, fully clothed and despite
flotation problems, caused by ballooning clothing, saved the beloved eldest. Ghil‘ad’s shoes were ruined so
he went to the local shoe store, yes there is one, for replacements. The
storekeeper was a little amused saying ‘You are the only person who has ever
come to KI to buy shoes.’ Casual conversation led to the revelation that the
storekeeper’s mother was known to Ghil‘ad
as a fellow staff member at Adelaide University and his father happened,
today, to be sitting to Giulio’s left; John McGowan.
Neville Sloss, John Potter, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann,
Giulio Zuckermann, John McGowan (hidden).
Giulio’s delivered a remarkably poised and eloquent reply (including, by
Potter’s demand, an appraisal of the gathering in Chinese; Giulio is
currently a residential student of the International Baccalaureate at United
World College, Changshu. China (2023-25) His father attended United World
College of the Adriatic, Italy, in 1987-89). Potter then responded with his
pithy description of our gathering, in Gilbertese. I was not aware that
language had words for pretentious wankers.
Ghil‘ad Zuckermann, Giulio Zuckermann,
John McGowan.
John (McGoon) McGowan pointed out that, when Ghil‘ad first attended as a (Leo’s) guest (February
16, 2012), he was then, by far, the youngest member. Now, today, he had
invited an even younger record holder, his 16 year old
son Giulio.
Milton Wordley, Neville Sloss
(standing), Chris Waterman, Lance Campbell, Ed Pegge.
Milton Wordley introduced his two guests, Lance
Campbell and Chris Waterman.
Milton Wordley, Chris Waterman, Lance Campbell, Ed
Pegge.
Lance Campbell was already known to some, as a keen and skilled player of petanque and an accomplished and respected journalist
across many fields, from Arts to Sport. Milton told us that he owes his life
to Lance having discovered him after he’d lain unconscious for unknown hours
after a fall down stairs. Lance reminded us that
today was in fact his third Hogarth gathering, having been first invited,
more than 25 years ago, by his then Editor, at The Advertiser, Don
Riddell. That reminded us that in the early days of Hogarth a number of journalists, reporters, writers, broadcasters
including Tony Brooks, Keith Conlon, Michael Jacobs, Rob George, Paul Lloyd,
Mike Norman, John Potter, Philip Satchel and Philip White were regulars. In
later years the list was extended with Ephraim Chifley, Bob Ellis, Ian Henschcke, Andrew Male, Michael Prest (Wilf’s cousin was
a freelance journalist in economics, once with The Independent. (UK
version) and at some stage ‘headhunted’ by The World Bank and he has also
worked as a consultant &/or journalist in mining and minerals) and Helen
Womack (Wayne’s guest was an acclaimed freelance journalist who lived in and
worked in Russia for over 30 years. In later years she was a correspondent
for The Sydney Morning Herald and in
2013 published Ice Walk: Surviving
the Soviet Break-up and the New Russia).
Milton Wordley, Chris Waterman, Lance Campbell.
Chris Waterman has been a close friend of Lance Campbell since their meeting
in final year at Westminster. Since then a close
bond has been maintained, partly through regular drinks at the Duke of
Brunswick Hotel (only gluten free pub in Adelaide?) and several links to
Hogarth folk were noted, including with some, including Pegge, each owning a
part of a different leg of a race horse.
Lance Campbell, Ed Pegge, Wilf Prest, John Potter, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann,
Giulio Zuckermann, John McGowan (obscured), Andy
Ligertwood, Wilf Prest, Ian Lister, Wayne Anthoney, Ian ‘Bones’ Owens, Bob
Lott.
Ed Pegge reminded those who knew (not all did) of his Barnaby Joyce moment,
on exit from La Trattoria, after Hogarth, last December. (Flat on his
back after a long Christmas lunch.)
Andy Ligertwood, Wilf Prest.
Wilf Prest, Ian Lister, Wayne Anthoney, Ian ‘Bones’ Owens, Bob Lott, Rob
George, Lance Campbell (head). Ed Pegge.
Note that in this picture Wayne is taking a photo of Leo.
And here it is. Leo conversing with Secretary General Herr Oberfuhrer Chairman Neville
APRIL
Hogarth: Downstairs at Jolley’s Boathouse
Thursday, April 18, 2024.
Attending: (13 persons): Wayne Anthoney, Tony Brooks, Keith Conlon, Leo
Davis, Ian Henschke, Michael Jacobs, Andy Ligertwood, Ian Lister, Nick
Marrett, Ian Owens, Neville Sloss, David Thomson, Arwed Turon.
Apologies: (?? persons): Bob Adams, Mark Coleman, Tony Brooks, Samela Harris,
Rob Morrison,Tony
Parkinson. Ed Pegge, Wilf Prest, John Potter, Milton Wordley.
Brooks,
sporting a cheeky "Relax, Brooks is Here" T-shirt, was last to
arrive and we were all glad to have his good company again.
Arwed Turon (practising solicitor), Ian Henschke, Andy Ligertwood (Law
lecturer), Keith Conlon, Neville Sloss, David Thomson, Wayne Anthoney, Ian
Lister, ‘Bones’(hidden), Nick Marrett, Michael Jacobs (journalist/lawyer).
The recent ‘omnishambles’ of Mr Lehrmann’s
foray into court was discussed at length with varying and informed views
given that we had at least three lads with long experience in and knowledge
of the Law. One suggested the lack of corroborated evidence makes it not at
all certain that a guilty verdict would have been delivered had the first
trial proceeded. A call for Shakespeare to have been around to write up the
case was deemed unnecessary given Justice Lee’s artful summary including
‘having escaped the lion’s den … made the mistake of going back for his hat’,
but it was pointed out the line had been used pre-trial.
Main course: Arwed Turon,
Ian Henschke, Andy Ligertwood, Keith Conlon, Neville Sloss, Staff member.
For most lads, most months, a quaffable drop will do. Today a too cautious
regular, who has taken meekly to not drinking when driving, regretted his
stance. Several bottles of well-credentialed Pinot Noir were tabled; a 2003 Aldgate
Ridge (Andy), a 2016 Ashton Hills (Keith?)
and a 2021 Tapanappa Definitus (Ian
L?). And a 2019 St Hugo (variety not noted) was spotted.
Arwed noted that the Group (see Menu)/Club now has a spread sheet (see
Neville’s latest email) that details those replying ‘Yeh’, those ‘Nay’ and
those not bothering at all. These, Arwed proposed, should be pursued
relentlessly for explanations.
Andy Ligertwood, Keith
Conlon, Tony Brooks,
Keith was kind enough to present a reading (these are the moments, rarer
these days, that enliven Hogarth) but for some reason this was not literally
possible (no specs?). Keith had to recite, from memory, a short piece, by
Adam Lindsay Gordon.
No great effort, one might think, the lines being;
Life is mostly froth and bubble,
Two things stand like stone.
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own.
Don’t be so sure. Several pauses and stumbles were assisted by resident
prompt, Brooks. A second attempt also failed and again the steady Brooks hand
was needed. The result was much more entertaining and fun than had a smooth
rendition been delivered and the warmth and affection we feel for both Keith
and Tony were reinforced.
Brooks then encouraged Keith to sing a Footlights Revue song (actually learned from a janitor at Adelaide Uni I’m told)
and it was delivered in good voice and from sound memory, causing many lads
to join in and some consternation at the only other table still occupied at Jolleys. It may bolster our case for upstairs placement.
She’s a great big bastard, twice the size of me,
She’s got hairs on her chest, like the branches of a tree,
She can run, jump, fuck, (Tony Short makes Cuckoo sound) fight,
Wheel a barrow, ride a
bike,
She’s the girl who wants to marry me.
Oi!
Wayne read to us again from his Magic Pudding of humorous treasures, Bob
Ellis’ So It Goes. It was the sad tale of Ellis attempting to portray
Brendan Behan in a stage play at the Bondi Pavilion in 1995, a disastrous
performance - recorded with Ellis' usual mixture of hilarity and beautiful
prose - which Wayne attended in company of another old friend, Lenny Kovner.
Keith listens with rapt attention.
Wayne Anthoney, Ian Lister, Ian ‘Bones’ Owens, Nick Marret, Michael Jacobs.
Somehow William Morris’s works came up and Bones expanded on our collective
knowledge. We all remember Morris’s three typefaces, based on texts from the
1400s, developed for his Kelmscott Press, Golden, Chaucer, and Troy.
(this reactionary is firmly a Times New Roman lad).
Most of us were not aware of a type similar to Golden,
Doves, developed by a separate print company. The two proprietors of
that printery fell out and one of them, over some months, as Bones told us,
dumped about a ton of material, mostly in 12 lb paper wrapped packets, in
deepest night, from Hammersmith Bridge, over the Thames. This led him to
discuss tidal surges, up and down stream on the Thames, taking to him telling
us of the wreck of SS Princess Alice, a British passenger paddle
steamer,
that sank on 3 September 1878, after a collision, on the River
Thames,
with the collier SS Bywell Castle, with 600 to 700 folk
dying. Bodies were recovered from as far upstream as Limehouse and
down to Erith, per favour those tidal
surges.
Leo photographs Bones as
he expands our collective knowledge.
Two guests today, both from Singapore, did not know each; couldn’t
happen in Adelaide.
Ian ‘Bones’ Owens introduces his guest, his nephew, Nick Marrett,
who lives and works in Singapore.
Here for his second Hogarth lunch as Neville’s guest, was David Thomson
(far right, to Neville’s left). He married Neville’s best friend,
some year back. Apart from his day job, in Singapore, David was pleased
to identify himself as a sometime thespian. Among other triumphs he
once performed in King Lear at The Globe in London.
Arwed Turon, Ian Henschke, Andy Ligertwood.
Ian Henschke offered to host June Hogarth at his property. A photo
of a possible menu item were shown, a freshly
killed deer that may be served as venison sausage. A busy body suggested
we have the event on one of our off months. May will not work for
Ian but he was pleased to see that the
FOURTH Thursday in July is the 25th, so a Hogarth Xmas
in Winter was proposed. This has yet to be formalised at an advertised
meeting of the members. It would coincide with a long time member’s 79th.
A Petition (sent by Morrison), re proposed SA Museum changes, was
circulated. Both Conlon and Jacobs helped our understanding with
knowledgeable backgrounding
SPECIAL
MIDWINTER GATHERING
Hogarth:
In the home of Ian Henschke, at Castambul. Thursday, July 25, 2024.
Attending: (7 persons): Leo Davis, Rob George, Ian Henschcke, Andy
Ligertwood, Wilf Prest, Arwed Turon, Ben Wickham.
A
simple drive from the City required turning right into Corkscrew
Road then left at the first entrance. Two of four cars missed the
turn and came all the way down Corkscrew Road; a very scenic way.
The 1.2 km entrance drive had been carefully surveyed, as Ian explained
in detail, to have a gradient that a non AWD/4WD vehicle could negotiate.
One such vehicle just made it, by never venturing above first gear.
Rob
George, Ian Henschcke, Arwed Turon.
Our host/chef explains how 18 fresh oysters are to be shared by
seven diners, very much in the Jolleys manner!
Rob
George, Arwed Turon, Wilf
Prest, Ian Henschcke, Andy Ligertwood, Ben Wickham.
A most satisfying three course meal was provided and Ian may be
correct in thinking it matched or bettered that offered at Jolleys.
And we did not pay $90.
Main course, bangers, mash and peas, was very special given the
home made sausages were made of deer killed at Mt George. The date
chutney was sourced on a recent family trip to outback SA. Dessert
of poached pears used fruit from a local heritage variety, especially
suited to that preparation style.
Rob
George, Ben Wickham, Andy Ligertwood.
A hint only, of the views available in every direction.
Wilf’s guest Ben was a student of his at Adelaide University. He
is a highly regarded cook/chef, apart from a high profile legal
career.
Rob
George, Wilf Prest, Ian Henschcke (stoking fire), Arwed Turon, Ben
Wickham (seated), Andy Ligertwood.
Ian had many interesting tales to tell. The history of the Henschkes
in SA explained Ian’s relationship to his winemaker, cousin at some
distance, Stephen Henschcke (who makes Ian’s wine for him from grapes
grown near the house), there being three family strands sharing
a great (or great great?) grandfather. We heard in detail the trials
involved in creating the entrance road, connecting to electricity,
drilling to nearly 200 m for water and the building of the house.
Travels in the Flinders Ranges and beyond, searching for inspiration
for an Art project, were described.
Other topics discussed today included reservations about, indeed
opposition to, the merger of Adelaide University and University
of SA. Of course the withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 Presidential
race and the likelihood of Kamala Harris running were worked over.
Arwed
described his career path and reasons for his recent retirement.
A perceived too great dealing with women’s issues, on the ABC TV
news, was regretted.
AUGUST
Jolley’s
Boathouse Thursday, August 16, 2024.
Attending: (14 persons):Wayne Anthoney, Leo Davis, Lance Campbell,
Ian Henschcke, Andy Ligertwood, Ian Lister, , Rob Morrison, Ed Pegge,
Wilf Prest, Robin Prior, Neville Sloss, Arwed Turon, Milton Wordley,
Ghil‘ad Zuckermann.
Greetings
time. Ian Lister, chairman Neville Sloss, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann.
Ghil‘ad advertised his friend Stephen Fry’s upcoming (Oct 30) ‘An
Evening With Stephen Fry’ even offering some concession rates.
Milton
Wordley, Lance Campbell, Ian Lister, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann, Arwed Turon,
Wilf Prest, Robin Prior, Rob Morrison, Ed Pegge, Wayne Anthoney.
Our
chairman, Neville Sloss has recently turned 70 and asked advice of
some of the elders. Wayne offered something quite arcane.
Wayne:
What I said was, "Once you're over seventy, never trust a fart."
A proposition that was agreed to by all present save for Ghil'ad who
is as yet too young to know.
Rob Morrison, Ed Pegge, Wayne Anthoney, Ian Henschcke.
Ian Henschcke told us some of the trials, tribulations, involved in
making his documentary about Herb Elliott and Percy Cerutty. Particular
financial problems related to accessing still and moving images. This
led to discussion with chaps like Milton and Lance having stories
to tell of the original producers of images not being fairly rewarded.
Currently he is well out of pocket.
From the ABC website:
‘Henschke's fascination with the great athlete drove him to write
a telemovie script, suggest a television mini-series and ultimately
settle for producing and funding a documentary."
Henschke's documentary carries the same name as Elliott's long-ago
autobiography, The Golden Mile.
It will be screened around Australia and will also be shown in New
Zealand, the UK and the United States.
Ian emailed us on August 18 with his good news;
‘I’ll be away in October as I’m pleased to report the film has been
selected for the Liberec Sport Film Festival in the Czech Republic.
400 films from 70 countries submitted, 30 films selected for competition.’
Ian was very critical of John Landy’s bronze medal performance in
the Melbourne Olympics in 1956.
Andy
Ligertwood, Milton Wordley, Lance Campbell.
Wayne expressed his preference for the downstairs location, over that
upstairs. This was not related to the navigation of tricky staircase
but to the excellent views afforded, these hinted at in the background,
above.
Wilf Prest and his guest Robin Prior.
I do not remember Robin being introduced to the table. The following
is from the introduction to a book review he wrote published in Australian
Book Review, in July 2024.
‘Robin Prior was born in rural South Australia. He studied at the
University of Adelaide, completing a doctorate in 1979. He was an
ARC Fellow at Adelaide for three years before taking a position with
the University of New South Wales at the Australian Defence Force
Academy. He was Head of the School of History from 1998 to 2004 and
Foundation Head of the School of Humanities and Social Science from
2004 to 2007. He is now Visiting Professorial Fellow at the University
of Adelaide. He has published widely on World War I: Command on the
Western Front, Passchendaele: The Untold Story (1996) and The Somme
(2005) with Trevor Wilson, and Churchill’s ‘World Crisis’ As History
(1983) and Gallipoli (2009), as sole author. He is an editor of The
Oxford Companion to Australian Military History (1995). He is working
on a book on Britain in 1940.’
Arwed
Turon, Wilf Prest, Robin Prior, Rob Morrison, Ed Pegge, Wayne Anthoney.
Robin
Prior, Rob Morrison, Ed Pegge, Wayne Anthoney.
Neville
Sloss, Rob George, Arwed Turon, Wilf Prest (hidden), Robin Prior,
Rob Morrison, Ed Pegge (just), Wayne Anthoney.
And
finally...our photographer and diarist Leo, looking relaxed and happy.
OCTOBER
Hogarth:
Downstairs at Jolley’s Boathouse Thursday, October 17, 2024.
Attending: (10 persons): Wayne Anthoney, Leo Davis, Peter Fisher,
Andrew Hill, Andy Ligertwood, Ian Lister, Ian Owens, Ed Pegge, Neville
Sloss, Arwed Turon, Milton Wordley, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann.
Apologies: (13 persons): Bob Adams, Mark Coleman, Keith Conlon, Tony
Brooks, Samela Harris, Ian Henschcke, Rob Morrison. Tony Parkinson,
Wilf Prest, Neville Sloss.
Discussion at the southern end of the table is not recorded because
it was beyond the ever failing hearing of this scribe.
Arwed Turon, Ed Pegge (hidden), Ghil‘ad Zuckermann, Andrew Hill, Peter
Fisher, Milton Wordley, Wayne Anthoney, Ian Lister, Andy Ligertwood.
The Middle Eastern conflicts were discussed with slightly differing
positions being argued. The United World College in Italy that teenager
Ghil‘ad Zuckermann attended (his son, Giulio Zuckermann, who attended
Hogarth in February, is currently a residential student of the International
Baccalaureate at United World College in Changshu. China), asked him,
some months ago, to assist in getting two Palestinians out of Gaza.
He has gone right to the top, speaking in person to the President
of Israel, but has found no joy, after several months of lobbying.
Some years ago Ghil‘ad completed his mandatory service in the IDF,
as an officer.
Arwed
Turon, Ed Pegge, Ghil‘ad Zuckermann, Andrew Hill, Peter Fisher.
Too much sex, so Ghil‘ad Zuckermann, told us, is very bad for the
memory. He knows this from reading an article, on page 37 of the Singapore
Airline in house magazine, SilverKris, while sitting in seat 34E,
in a plane that left Hong Kong at 13:52 local time, while sitting
beside a passenger wearing a mauve shirt under a Ralph Lauren suit.
This is an example of a humour genre that is paraprosdokian, which,
as Ghil‘ad had told us at an earlier gathering, is the form of ALL
Groucho Marx’ jokes.
Ghil‘ad
Zuckermann, waitress, Andrew Hill, Peter Fisher.
Milton Wordley brought his one-time commercial photographic business
partner (later competitor), Peter Fisher as his guest, as a treat
for his coming 71st birthday. An ebullient Peter was full of yarns
and was so pleased by the gathering that he bought a bottle of fizzy
white for the table. He spoke very highly of Milton as a professional
photographer, rating himself as good, but Milton better than himself
and even Brian Brandt.
Peter remembered fondly, perhaps through slightly tinted lenses, the
days when the Prime Minister’s number was in the phone book and that
he might answer. Late at night, sometime last century, Peter himself
received a phone call from India. Paul McCartney’s daughter (Mary?),
following a recommendation from then leading Adelaide PR personality
Karen Foster, apologised for bothering him and asked Peter was he
free to do the Adelaide photos for her Dad’s tour.
Milton described the events that led to him organising and driving
the project to publish A Year in the Life of Grange. The Limited Edition
(1000 copies @ $785) has sold out. Copies of The Winemakers Edition
(250 copies @ $1000) seem to still be available, as for the Collector’s
Edition (100 copies @ $4000). Peter found it hard to believe that
Milton says he made no profit.
Milton
Wordley, Wayne Anthoney, Ian Lister, Andy Ligertwood.
Wayne told a charming family tale about his grandson Oscar who works
at an aerial adventure playground at Chookarloo Native Forest Reserve,
in Kuitpo Forest. Fear can prompt an extreme response from terrified
young adventurers high in the air and a ‘Code Brown’ is standard well
understood alarm. Attending to a Code Brown involves the attendant
carefully winching the terrified child down to ground level, conducting
him or her to a clean-up area while being sympathetic and caring,
then returning to clean the harness and ropes ready for the next intrepid
adventurer. Wayne reported that on the previous Saturday morning alone,
Oscar had responded to nine Code Brown callouts and said he thinks
it takes a special kind of person to be able to deal with that.
A sometimes quite arcane discussion of possible defence stances in
a current double murder case had quite differing positions stated,
some with more legal authority and validity than others. During discussion
of the case whether speaking in tongues (popular with a t least one
recent PM) has any grammar or vocabulary was discussed. It was agreed
that the one pattern was repetition of sounds, but with no possible
meaning. For at least one chap, in this particular case the presumption
of innocence was not afforded the plaintiff.
Arwed Turon, Ed Pegge.
As some of us drift into decrepitude the health of friends is discussed
more. Hogarthian Philip White was reported as being very poorly and
his survival, years beyond an announced imminent end, was marvelled
at. Hallett Wines legend Bob McLean’s observation, in his closing
days was recalled; ‘This dying is killing me.’
Ghil‘ad Zuckermann, Andrew Hill.
The view available to the west, north and south, shown in most images
above, was compared favourably to the famous Star of Greece example.
This
photo
of the whole group was taken
by a friendly waiter for Ghil'ad who wishes to send it to
Samela Harris, who is in the US campaigning for Kamala Harris. It
includes Leo, who is rarely in them because he is taking them. Unfortunately
Wayne's hand is partially obscuring Leo's face. This was not intentional.
Some of us were quite surprised that we had not hitherto noticed
the similarity between 'Kamala Harris' and 'Samela Harris'.
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